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hi everybody all right thanks so much

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bill

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all right so the guest we have luckily

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she got my frantic emails and and here

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she is in the waiting in the studio i

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think she got the emails or she just

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happened to pop in to what she did not

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get my emails

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okay well surprise surprise you're up

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how you doing um i don't even know if

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you're ready but i uh thank you for uh

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and you you just happened to check the

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studio out no we had uh technical

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difficulties so i i had to uh i had to

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stop in the middle of the show this is

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going to be your totally your show now

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okay

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so uh yeah thanks so much for for

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joining us uh really it's uh i i spoke

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with you the other day it's so funny

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because um the last show i'll just tell

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the audience a little bit the last show

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i um

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said reached out to everyone and said

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hey look i'm i want to make these three

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minute videos for breaks and uh would

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you please email me if you had an

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experience so you emailed me your

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experience that we're going to talk

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about

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and right off the bat it thought well i

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don't know if i can do this in three

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minutes but i started uh started

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recording and i realized um no

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we're gonna we're gonna do this uh and

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as as we recorded 30 minutes

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uh my guest this week unfortunately had

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a pet um issue

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and canceled and you said you would be

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willing to come on live so this is what

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i want to thank you very much oh thank

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you for having me

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and let's just clarify this you have

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talked about this situation

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to your family

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and that's basically it right that's

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about it yep

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yep my husband knows my two children

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know

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actually just

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messaged my two sisters yesterday and

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asked them if

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they remembered the incident and they

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did not at all it was news to them so

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they didn't even know

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wow yeah but you did talk to your your

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father i did yeah so let's uh let's uh

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let's talk about um

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the well first

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a real quick

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um

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hello to you who you are

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um and

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where you grew up and just go ahead and

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tell us what happened okay

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um so i grew up in south africa in a

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town called bononi

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um just to sort of put it on a map

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it's east of johannesburg and i think

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most people are familiar with

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just the name at any rate

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um of johannesburg which is one of the

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biggest cities in south africa

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so um

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i grew up in this

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a relatively big town but we lived sort

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of out in the sticks

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building this background because i think

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it's relevant to

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the experience as a whole um

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my two sisters are much older than i am

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it was almost like being an early child

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um they were already in high school when

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just not even in in

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elementary school anyway

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so it was kind of

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a uh

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a quirky kid i didn't make friends very

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easily i the first few years in

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elementary school well school was pretty

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tough but the first few years in

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were difficult because i couldn't really

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connect with anybody my own age so what

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i would do is i would tend to go and

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find the kids who were a year or two

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younger than me and i just felt a little

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more comfortable with them and you know

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that that was my idea of friendship in

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the first years and so thinking about

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that martin sort of gave me a little

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more clarity as to when

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this experience probably happened

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because as i said to you previously

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i actually cannot from i don't i can't

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put an actual date to it i can give a

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time frame

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i had thought that it was somewhere

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1975 and 1977 so i would have been

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somewhere between 8 and 10 years old

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the more i think about it and sort of my

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sort of that whole elementary school

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experience i'm thinking it must have

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been about 1975

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uh that it happened

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so i would have been eight

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the school

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that the elementary school i went to

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the way that the the

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the school and the playgrounds were

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buildings sort of spread across

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and then depending on which grade you

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were in you had

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the younger kids like the first graders

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and the second graders would have their

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you would move on to the next few grades

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and they would have access to the really

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kids who were like 11 and 12 years old

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had their own separate little playground

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so i was at an age where i should have

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on the big

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playground with my age group

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i tended to hang back on the smaller one

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divided from that big playground with a

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corridor

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and and so okay now i'm gonna get into

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the actual experience so what i remember

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of that day and

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i want to be careful because

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and we spoke about this

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um i'm fully aware that memories change

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that every time you think about

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something you're getting a slightly

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different version of the original

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right because you actually

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it's a reconstruction i've been looking

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into this a bit yeah and each and every

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time

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you recall

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something you're reconstructing it

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and and sometimes you fill in um the

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things that are unknown with something

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you're familiar with that's that's where

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things can get a little tricky because

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and that happens a lot of times when

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someone has a very

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dramatic experience

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with things they don't understand they

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kind of fill in those little tiny holes

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with something they're familiar with but

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anyway i'm i'm sorry i kind of went on a

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little too much about that so

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no but that's right and i think it's

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important to remember

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um it's it's important to keep that in

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mind and so

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i'm looking over at the

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illustration that i did

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of what i saw and i

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or may not have been part of the craft

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okay and i'll get into that in a little

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bit so anyway back to the experience on

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that particular day was it cloudy don't

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know was it sunny

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honestly can't remember those details

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and it's neither here nor there

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um i do

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distinctly remember standing on the

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corridor that divided

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the little kids playground

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from the main field

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kids my age were

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i was standing on the corridor facing

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playground the field

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i remember the teacher who was on

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recess duty that day

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i remember her clearly

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it was it was so

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strange and so at the age of eight just

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an hour maybe two hours a day and the

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rest of the time it was test patterns

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things like ufos or aliens or anything

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else were just it wasn't part of my

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vocabulary it wasn't part of my world

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living out in the boonies running around

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with my dogs

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yeah getting skinned knees and making

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mud pies and that was it

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experience or knowledge i guess

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i remember looking up and it was almost

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it was kind of like

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it wasn't there

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it was just there

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sort of out of the blue

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right over the field

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um it seemed low it was higher than tree

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and i was actually looking at a google

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earth image of that field today and

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there's a rugby pitch on it now

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so that sort of gave me an idea of okay

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because i was trying to think like how

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big was it

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you know if people want to know how big

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was it what how do i what do i relate it

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to well thankfully there's that rugby

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pitch so that gave me some idea yeah and

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there's the field

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um the x is where i would have been

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standing um looking out to the field

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so is the little circle there is that is

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that where

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it was yeah except you know obviously

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much much higher up because that just i

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two-dimensional image but yeah that's

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about where it would have been

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that it could easily have been

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a hundred feet in diameter easily

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and i kept having to go over that and

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over that in my head this afternoon

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could it that's that's huge that's

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enormous but then again i do remember it

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i do remember words like big were

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popping into my pop into my head and my

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memory

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it was a typical

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saucer shape

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do you mind if i put up the drawing no

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not at all okay so you did this drawing

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just recently

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yeah and this is basically what you saw

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yeah and and it's very abstract and but

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you know what that's okay because the

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things that i can honestly say that i

294
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know i remember about it and i kind of

295
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know why that is from talking to my dad

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and of things he corroborated the color

297
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will not leave my mind

298
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that craft was red now

299
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you know when you're a kid what does red

300
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mean red means

301
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a hot stove

302
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and so maybe i equated it to this thing

303
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being hot

304
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somehow

305
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but i was saying to you that the best

306
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way that i could describe it was it

307
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almost seemed to have a glow from the

308
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inside

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um

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something like a poker in a fire you

311
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know how they yeah yeah yeah right

312
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not like it wasn't yeah yeah it wasn't

313
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like it had you know a red paint job

314
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it it

315
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part of yeah it was it was almost almost

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like emanating from it

317
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it's very hard to put into words

318
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so

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saucer shaped red

320
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um huge it stopped it just stuck right

321
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over the playground

322
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and

323
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there was never a feeling of fear

324
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i never had a feeling of fear i just

325
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i was awestruck

326
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and then at that point i remember

327
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looking out across the playground and

328
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seeing the teacher on duty

329
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and just noticing the children who are

330
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directly around her

331
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and they were all just staring up at it

332
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basically with their mouths open

333
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um and it's it's as if we were in

334
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a bubble

335
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with no

336
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sound like all the sound had been sucked

337
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out of the world

338
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the craft itself was absolutely silent

339
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,600
it just showed up without

340
00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:09,519
you know there wasn't any sound that

341
00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:11,600
made us go oh look what's coming

342
00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:12,480
um

343
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:14,880
so just just right there i mean this

344
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actually

345
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i gotta tell you this is giving me

346
00:14:21,269 --> 00:14:19,199
goosebumps but um

347
00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:21,279
when the you say the sound was like

348
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:23,120
sucked out of the world

349
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,600
did you not hear like the voices of the

350
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teacher or the other children nothing at

351
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:33,750
documentaries i've watched and people

352
00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:36,000
you know watching uh videos of people's

353
00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:38,480
experiences sometimes they'll talk about

354
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:42,000
high strangeness i don't know if that

355
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:45,440
qualifies as high strangeness but

356
00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:48,480
close enough yeah it was it was very

357
00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:50,720
very weird it's just like for and it

358
00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:51,680
wasn't

359
00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:53,760
it was not a long sighting i mean it

360
00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:56,480
probably lasted for seconds

361
00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:59,120
but it was so profound

362
00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:01,279
um so there it was

363
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,240
it

364
00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:04,000
stopped

365
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:08,000
um

366
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,000
we all you know stared in wonder

367
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:14,079
and uh

368
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:16,399
and then it took off it it sort of

369
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:19,519
exited toward the west

370
00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:20,560
um

371
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,399
which i mean i'm thinking about that in

372
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:24,480
my head and it doesn't have any i don't

373
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:26,399
think it has any real bearing that was

374
00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:28,399
in the direction of

375
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:30,560
o.r tambo which is the international

376
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:33,040
airport for johannesburg i don't really

377
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:36,000
know that that has any connection

378
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:37,440
um

379
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:41,360
but it just it shut off and within

380
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:43,360
literally the blink of an eye

381
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,399
it was

382
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,800
just a pinpoint on the horizon this is

383
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,399
where you can still see it

384
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:50,639
just a tiny dot like literally in the

385
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:52,639
time it takes to blink

386
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:55,519
and because because that area

387
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:57,680
when i was in school it wasn't nearly as

388
00:16:02,389 --> 00:15:59,839
built up as it is now because it's a

389
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,399
very flat area they aren't mountains

390
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:04,399
it's not it's a plateau

391
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:06,880
everything's just very flat

392
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:09,040
you can see you could see pretty far out

393
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,720
to the horizon

394
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:11,680
and

395
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:14,079
it was just this pinpoint on the horizon

396
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:16,000
and then gone

397
00:16:19,269 --> 00:16:17,759
and then everything sort of returned to

398
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:19,279
normal

399
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:20,880
um

400
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,880
this is just an opinion up here

401
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:25,040
yeah uh being that close uh she was

402
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,639
probably saturated with frequencies

403
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:29,279
above and below human hearing uh any you

404
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:32,160
know these are all good points and i a

405
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,320
lot of these listeners that are in here

406
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:36,959
um have been you know looking at this

407
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:39,360
topic a long time and have yeah you know

408
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:41,759
it's all just theories you know we don't

409
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:44,079
really know but uh but thank you for

410
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:47,040
that comment yeah absolutely it's it's

411
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,040
really interesting to think about i mean

412
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,800
it's interesting to think about

413
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,959
all the things that it

414
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:54,000
could be

415
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:56,000
and the reasons that those things could

416
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:56,800
be

417
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:57,600
um

418
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,560
when it when it

419
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,000
left

420
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,720
incredibly fast and again i was only

421
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:06,880
eight

422
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:10,079
but it was fast it was

423
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:14,079
i i remember just staring like

424
00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:17,360
how how you know you your mind just

425
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:19,199
can't make sense of it

426
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,000
um

427
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,400
and there was absolutely no sound no

428
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:24,720
sound and that's you know you have these

429
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:27,199
certain commonalities

430
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:30,960
um i think most experiences share

431
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:33,120
things like the craft didn't make any

432
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:36,960
sound or sort of um the high strangeness

433
00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,440
aspects or

434
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,360
uh i don't know

435
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:43,200
those are the things that i can connect

436
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:46,160
to with other people's experiences

437
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:48,640
um yeah

438
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,880
now uh just just a couple of things a

439
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:52,480
couple of questions so

440
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:53,760
when

441
00:17:59,830 --> 00:17:57,919
do you i know and i know it was a long

442
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:59,840
time ago and you're just a little girl

443
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:01,520
but did you

444
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:03,039
do you recall

445
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:05,120
any other

446
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:07,360
things that you remember in your senses

447
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,080
like

448
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:10,480
was there any feeling of pressure

449
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:11,520
um

450
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,799
was there any other emotions you said

451
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:16,240
you weren't scared which i think is

452
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:17,679
pretty interesting

453
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,240
um did you feel

454
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:23,039
calm did you feel like

455
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,880
whatever it was that wasn't there

456
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:26,559
to bother you

457
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:29,120
and of course this is all

458
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,799
uh you know i'm

459
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:32,720
you've never heard of what a ufo is you

460
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,679
didn't know

461
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:36,240
so

462
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,960
questions along this line yeah but but

463
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:43,600
for right now do you remember any other

464
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:47,830
i

465
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:55,360
aren't there

466
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:56,400
right so

467
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,039
yes um

468
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,200
no pressure

469
00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:04,000
i didn't feel any sort of pressure

470
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,370
um

471
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,160
[Music]

472
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:09,039
it was it's very it's very weird and i

473
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:10,480
think other people have talked about

474
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,600
this too

475
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,280
but you

476
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,160
he almost always did have the sense that

477
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:18,640
something was looking at us i could stop

478
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:21,520
to take a peek for whatever reason

479
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:22,640
you know

480
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,600
um

481
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,559
before

482
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,559
as you've looked

483
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,799
i know that you've looked into this

484
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,200
um the schoolyard sightings

485
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,440
yeah and there's uh you know preston

486
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,000
dennett did a book on them

487
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:39,039
um i think he said there was 120 i

488
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:40,320
believe maybe i have that number

489
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:41,840
terribly wrong

490
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,039
but of schoolyard encounters and you

491
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,080
know you can speculate on why you know

492
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,760
children are impressionable they're

493
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,039
open-minded

494
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:53,039
you know why are these things showing up

495
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:54,400
in schoolyards

496
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,280
um i don't know but um

497
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:59,120
so so there was no

498
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:00,640
um

499
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:03,520
none of none of the feelings of

500
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:04,640
uh

501
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,919
scared or exhilarating would you say

502
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,960
you're

503
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:11,440
not even not even exhilarating and when

504
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,480
i looked over after it left and all the

505
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:17,280
sounds seemed to almost flood back in

506
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,480
um

507
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:20,640
i was still just standing on the car

508
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,679
door looking out and the teacher and the

509
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,320
kids around who were all talking

510
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:28,400
and i guess they were probably all

511
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,640
saying to each other what was that or

512
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:32,720
something and

513
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,600
i was not the kind of child who felt

514
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,470
never mind around my peers

515
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,000
but there's no way i would have gone up

516
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,080
to a teacher and said teacher

517
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:45,679
what was that

518
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:48,799
so i just hung back and observed

519
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:52,240
and then you know you're eight and when

520
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:55,679
you're eight you're on to the next thing

521
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,930
um

522
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,520
[Music]

523
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,310
remember telling my father well i don't

524
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,200
remember actually telling him

525
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,159
but clearly i told him

526
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,080
you know maybe that evening or within a

527
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:13,039
few days of the incident because i do

528
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,480
remember

529
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,120
him asking me multiple times to describe

530
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:18,960
what i'd seen

531
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:23,280
for him

532
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,799
and he was he absolutely believed me

533
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:28,480
um

534
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:29,840
i think

535
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:32,640
him asking me to describe it

536
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,240
over and over and draw it for him

537
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,880
is part of what helped to really

538
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,320
solidify

539
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,480
that information in my head even though

540
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,320
it's been so many years i feel like i

541
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,880
can count on that information

542
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,559
that part of it to be true like for

543
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,039
example if i look at this craft

544
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,840
and i go okay red stands out for me the

545
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,720
shape absolutely you know did it also

546
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,280
have like a little bump on the bottom

547
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:01,360
i don't know did it have a row of

548
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,960
windows up here i i can't say whether

549
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:05,679
i

550
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,480
um

551
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,919
and my family went the kind of family

552
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,760
would be like hey we've got gotta

553
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,440
get hold of the newspaper we gotta

554
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,039
contact the school

555
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,200
and find out more about this they just

556
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:47,039
that wasn't my family

557
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:48,159
and so

558
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:51,440
it just sort of went quiet

559
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,640
but a couple of months ago i thought you

560
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:56,400
know i'm gonna ask my dad

561
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,679
and

562
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:59,840
i had texted him to ask me if he'd heard

563
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,640
about the whole pentagon

564
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,039
report that was coming out

565
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,880
and he said no he hadn't and i was

566
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,280
telling him about it

567
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,200
and

568
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:13,039
then about a month or so later i called

569
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,720
him on the phone and i said hey dad i

570
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,960
just i want to ask you about that you

571
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,559
because he said to me in the text he

572
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,799
said didn't you have a ufo sighting when

573
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:22,960
you were in school and i was like yes

574
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:26,240
okay i wasn't imagining it it really did

575
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,200
happen

576
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,320
and i said yes i did and i'll never

577
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,919
forget it

578
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,080
and then about a month or so later we

579
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,520
got on the phone with each other and i

580
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,600
said i just want to ask you

581
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,400
what do you remember me telling you and

582
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,240
i thought i'm not going to put anything

583
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,600
in his head

584
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:44,799
because

585
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,320
i want to know exactly what he remembers

586
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,679
great and outside of the color he didn't

587
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,440
mention the color red

588
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,720
but he basically described exactly what

589
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,039
i have told you and again it was

590
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,110
you know every other day

591
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,679
you're thinking to yourself did i just

592
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,320
did i imagine this whole thing i think

593
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,679
francis

594
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,919
who was one of the witnesses of ariel

595
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:16,480
had said that and i mean

596
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,279
yes

597
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,880
if you can feel that way after

598
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,200
experiencing something like the ariel

599
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,960
encounter

600
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,720
then if you're just an

601
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,559
eight-year-old on the you know on the

602
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,640
playground and nobody else is

603
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,080
corroborating it you're definitely going

604
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,039
to feel like that a lot like i just make

605
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,360
it up but as soon as you start to say

606
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,440
those words to yourself

607
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,360
the next thing out of your

608
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,039
in your head is

609
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,279
no i know what i saw

610
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,600
which i think is probably

611
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,520
the reason that

612
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,000
james fox has that as a title for one of

613
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:51,919
his documentaries because those words

614
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,630
they're profound i know

615
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,440
what i saw you cannot change my mind you

616
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,520
cannot convince me otherwise i saw

617
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,559
something

618
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,480
extraordinary

619
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,720
is what that says to me

620
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,039
i just um i just text

621
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,880
uh james um

622
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,360
yes yesterday the day before he's in

623
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,320
brazil and i told him about your

624
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,520
encounter

625
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,919
and that we're talking about his film i

626
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,600
know i know what i saw

627
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,400
um he was uh he was threatened by

628
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,279
gunfire uh do it during some filming

629
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,520
down there so but he's safe

630
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,919
um he's safe and he's going to be coming

631
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,960
home but anyway yeah yeah that that

632
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,120
of all the films that

633
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,799
james fox made

634
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,200
i know the last one the phenomenon was

635
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,120
really good but that

636
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,360
i know what i saw i really like that

637
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,279
yeah movie

638
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,720
i've watched that several times over the

639
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,720
years and that's that's available for

640
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:52,480
free for anyone if it's a new listener

641
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,600
out there

642
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,440
on youtube you can find it on youtube or

643
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,200
it used to be anyway i'm not sure if it

644
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:59,120
still is but

645
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,080
yeah

646
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,840
um so

647
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,600
what is let's

648
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,760
what has happened over the years here

649
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,640
you are an eight-year-old girl uh

650
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,880
now you're growing up um a lot of things

651
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:13,120
people will ask

652
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,000
is

653
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,080
um did it change

654
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:17,919
um you know someone's gonna ask you this

655
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,640
sooner or later so i might as well yeah

656
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,720
um do you think it affected any of your

657
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,120
abilities in any type of way

658
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,520
that's something encounters seem to

659
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,360
people that have encounters seem to say

660
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,840
that quite often

661
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:32,960
um

662
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:37,279
no i you know i don't i don't think so

663
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,440
i can't point to anything

664
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,320
that i can say oh yeah that's

665
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,760
that comes from

666
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,600
somewhere else

667
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,669
no i mean i wish i could that'd be kind

668
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,039
of cool

669
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,440
but i can't say that no

670
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,200
yeah um

671
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,880
yeah it's just

672
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,440
after it happens and after you've you

673
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,320
know i've told my dad about it you pack

674
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,520
it away

675
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,679
it never leaves you and you think about

676
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,679
it you think about it from time to time

677
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,159
because how can you not it's just a part

678
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,240
of you now

679
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,640
but and what did and and how when you

680
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,200
come to grips with this over the years

681
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,720
um

682
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,799
when you hear people say

683
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,240
things like

684
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,799
oh you know the tinfoil hatters you know

685
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,200
the people that talk about ufos are just

686
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:31,200
nut cases and why do only crazy people

687
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,840
see ufos and

688
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,399
and

689
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,760
um

690
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,840
but but what it how did you feel about

691
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,679
all that you know like the ridiculous

692
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,480
side did that make you keep it quiet

693
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,960
even more like you actually have been i

694
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,640
mean is that part of the reason you've

695
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,200
never really talked about it

696
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,640
definitely

697
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,760
um

698
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,159
yeah you you just get on with your life

699
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,919
you know you get on with

700
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,440
growing up

701
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,720
and

702
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,840
you know all the

703
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,520
just growing up i mean that's a lot

704
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:05,679
right there and then

705
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,190
you know i came over here i met my

706
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,799
husband

707
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:14,240
and

708
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,760
that he's he's not

709
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:23,120
it's not that he doesn't believe

710
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:26,399
that your ufos exist

711
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,520
it's just

712
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,240
as he said to me once he said he

713
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,640
absolutely believes my experience and he

714
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,640
said you know the thing is deb

715
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,840
um

716
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,080
i still have a job to go to every day

717
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,240
and a mortgage to pay it's not part of

718
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:42,159
my

719
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:46,320
devote much time to it because i've got

720
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,039
it

721
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,640
so many other things

722
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,240
that are

723
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,000
right in front of me on a day-to-day

724
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,480
basis to think about and i get it that

725
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,520
makes absolute sense um unless you've

726
00:29:04,389 --> 00:28:59,520
had an experience like this i think it

727
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:05,510
ha

728
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,159
and and energy into thinking about it

729
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,919
and

730
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,880
yeah

731
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,279
you know i mean i i said to quick hi to

732
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,279
him and from things you said he's very

733
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,520
very supportive which is yeah which is

734
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,559
great to have that it absolutely is and

735
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,880
my kids have always known about it i

736
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,399
remember reading

737
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,799
books with my son when he was little i

738
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,480
must have wear them with my daughter too

739
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,120
but my son really got interested i think

740
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,080
the betty and barney hills story and i

741
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,640
mean he he's always

742
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:41,200
been very interested

743
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,320
um

744
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:44,880
and my kids are very supportive

745
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,679
and absolutely believe me and don't feel

746
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,799
like oh

747
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,360
you know i can't let anybody know that

748
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,559
my mom's

749
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,640
an experiencer because that's too weird

750
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,559
they've never been like that

751
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,480
but you definitely feel like that in

752
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,559
relation to the rest of your life you

753
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,840
know um

754
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,440
it's not something i could share with my

755
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,960
friends and i've got some really good

756
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,120
friends that i can

757
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,200
have heart to hearts with but that isn't

758
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:11,039
something i feel comfortable sharing

759
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,399
because

760
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,799
it has always been

761
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,720
it's always had the stigma attached to

762
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,399
it like you know people are going to

763
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,720
laugh at you people are going to go what

764
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,360
what are you talking about you know

765
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,360
um so you don't share it with your

766
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,640
friends

767
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,240
um

768
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,159
i've got something to

769
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,919
uh to say about this because you just

770
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:33,279
kind of brought something up that kind

771
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,240
of

772
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,480
touched me in a way and that is and i've

773
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:39,440
never talked about this but i was doing

774
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,960
this show for like four or five years

775
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,080
um

776
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,279
i had never told my son that i had a ufo

777
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,720
sighting wow

778
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,360
in 2007. so we were out to dinner one

779
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,480
night

780
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:53,440
and

781
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:57,200
i told him uh hey son guess what i do a

782
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:58,159
show

783
00:31:04,230 --> 00:30:58,880
on

784
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,240
because he you know we had the

785
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,760
conversations over the years you know he

786
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,519
didn't he didn't think that was

787
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,960
happening

788
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,080
and so

789
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,840
he wanted to hear about

790
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,519
well what did you see

791
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,360
when i got done telling my story he says

792
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,600
you know i never really

793
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,440
believed

794
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:22,080
ufos but he says you know what i believe

795
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:23,039
you

796
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,360
just told him what i saw and what

797
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,960
happened and

798
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,120
from that point on he's had an open mind

799
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,840
but it is really

800
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:35,120
it's nice to have the support of your

801
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,399
family

802
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,880
it really is it it

803
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,360
means a whole lot when you know that you

804
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,840
have that because on the other side of

805
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,600
it you know that you can't it's not

806
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,919
something you can just go out and

807
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,080
you don't feel comfortable telling

808
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:51,840
everybody or having people know about

809
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,320
you i mean i worked in

810
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,190
and that was what i did i worked in

811
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,960
different schools and so you're not

812
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,000
gonna

813
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,919
talk about it there

814
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,760
um i've always

815
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,799
thought of myself as a very very

816
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,320
science-minded person i love

817
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,880
astrophysics in fact my son and i love

818
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,320
getting into conversations about

819
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,399
astrophysics because

820
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:19,519
he's that's his thing as well

821
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,880
and i appreciate the scientific method i

822
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,880
i appreciate

823
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:26,320
that

824
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,559
having i'm grateful for this experience

825
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:36,559
if for nothing for no other reason then

826
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,919
it's it's given me perhaps a broader

827
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,679
mind than i maybe otherwise would have

828
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,640
had

829
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:44,640
yeah um it's helped me to really think

830
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,840
outside the box and go you know you just

831
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,919
we don't know we just don't know

832
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,919
a tenth of what's going on we just don't

833
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,360
know

834
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,120
what's out there

835
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,519
that's right yeah i recently was on a

836
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,120
panel with uh richard dole and lee

837
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,880
spiegel mark d'antonio and all that we

838
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,559
were sitting around the table and i

839
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,480
think it was richard said

840
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,279
like um you know we don't know what this

841
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,799
stuff is but isn't it great

842
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,159
and it's like

843
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,720
yeah you know it makes

844
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,760
you know

845
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,640
without it i mean if you don't have that

846
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,559
in your life the thought that there may

847
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,640
be something else

848
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,440
you know it's it's a much smaller world

849
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,640
i mean it just

850
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,159
it just seems to

851
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,080
open it up if you if you really look

852
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:32,960
into this you know and um definitely and

853
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,120
we're such a people that look into this

854
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,760
or people like you myself that have had

855
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,600
you know an experience

856
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,039
and then there's other people that

857
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:42,720
haven't that are really interested in it

858
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,760
but it's a very small segment of society

859
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,360
but i do believe

860
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,679
by the growth of this show over the last

861
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,120
few years and

862
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:53,120
um i do believe that it's growing all

863
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:54,159
the time

864
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,960
yeah

865
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,720
and and i can see that and i think

866
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,120
really that's what changed for me

867
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,679
um you know within the past few years

868
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:03,360
i've

869
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,799
youtube has become my tv of choice

870
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,919
and

871
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,639
i think my topics of choice have always

872
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,520
been the the science predominantly the

873
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,679
science channels

874
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,919
i do have other interests but the

875
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,599
science channels and then i was starting

876
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,520
to find james

877
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,480
fox's documentaries

878
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,480
and thought oh you know what i want to

879
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,240
watch these i want to know what other

880
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,399
people have experienced i want to see if

881
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,599
i can

882
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,800
sort of connect with their experiences

883
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,919
and from there it just sort of

884
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,679
snowballed for me

885
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,520
and i kept having more and more

886
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,440
suggestions on youtube because that's

887
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,679
what it does which is how i found your

888
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,800
channel

889
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,919
and

890
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,599
but it was

891
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,639
i became more and more excited and my

892
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,480
son would say to me mom

893
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,240
have you never spoken to any of your

894
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,440
classmates and like well first of all

895
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,520
there are maybe a handful that i'm still

896
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,480
in touch with not even a handful who may

897
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,960
or may not have seen something who were

898
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,280
at the same elementary school

899
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,040
and

900
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,800
i don't i don't know what other people's

901
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,839
experiences are but i've only recently

902
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:16,160
just just recently reached out to one of

903
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,200
them

904
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,560
because every time i thought about

905
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,560
reaching out to them

906
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,960
i had two fears the fear that they would

907
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,880
say i have no idea what you're talking

908
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:26,320
about sounds like you made the whole

909
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,839
thing up and then you're kind of

910
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,680
going maybe maybe i did did i i don't

911
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,640
know

912
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,560
and then the other reaction is them

913
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,680
saying

914
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,599
yeah i remember well then what do you do

915
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,119
with that that starts a whole new

916
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,160
conversation so i just thought to myself

917
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,240
it was that whole thing of i'm not even

918
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:46,000
going to go there it's not worth it

919
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,680
there's no point

920
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,560
i'm i'm not even going there

921
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,240
um

922
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,720
but then

923
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,960
i saw the documentary where you

924
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,400
interviewed

925
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,720
selma siddik

926
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,480
and that

927
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:05,200
that was when i was like you know what

928
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,400
enough

929
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,640
maybe maybe it's time to stop sort of

930
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,560
keeping this

931
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,280
to myself because so many people feel

932
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,359
that way you know and people talk about

933
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,160
it all the time oh you have x amount of

934
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,079
cases that are reported but who knows

935
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,480
how many cases are never reported how

936
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,480
many cases are there that we don't know

937
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,440
anything about because people

938
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,480
have concerns about coming forward

939
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:32,079
and hundreds of thousands i would guess

940
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:32,880
yeah

941
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,839
fraction of

942
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:38,079
you know um

943
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,359
right

944
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,599
i mean it's almost

945
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,200
it's almost like

946
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,359
whenever i feel safe enough to bring up

947
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:47,440
the topic when there's a few people

948
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,560
around

949
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,480
there's one of those people that said oh

950
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:53,119
yeah well this happened to me

951
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,800
you know um

952
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,800
you know and people i've known

953
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,160
all my life

954
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,720
you know this author i've known

955
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,040
when she found out that i did

956
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:05,040
a show on ufo she goes oh you can't

957
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:06,320
believe what happened to me when i was

958
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,280
hiking

959
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,200
um you know this thing came right over

960
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,599
us and you know i mean

961
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,440
there's so many

962
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,040
and you're right you know the people

963
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,200
keep it to themselves

964
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,040
yeah and i get it

965
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,040
i totally get that i mean i only just

966
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,240
mentioned to my sisters my sisters

967
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,079
and both of them said

968
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,720
wow we had no idea mom and dad never

969
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,680
told us anything and they were teenagers

970
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,440
they were you know one sister was

971
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,960
heading out into the working world the

972
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,400
other sister was finishing up high

973
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,480
school and my parents must not have

974
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:40,000
thought it was anything they needed to

975
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,280
know which

976
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,720
fine whatever

977
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,240
um

978
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,200
but my oldest sister said i need to know

979
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:49,760
all about it you tell me about it you

980
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,920
know what did you see what was it like

981
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,200
yeah

982
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,390
i don't know i

983
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,480
i would like to think that going forward

984
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,800
i'm going to have the courage to reach

985
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,680
out to the classmates that i'm still in

986
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,680
touch with and say

987
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,520
i've got kind of a weird question for

988
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,589
and and be okay with whatever answer

989
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:17,599
they give me because again i know what i

990
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,400
saw

991
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:19,680
yeah

992
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,880
to me i think that's a really good

993
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,440
attitude you know uh let go of the

994
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,280
outcome and right

995
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,359
and uh

996
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,280
i don't mean to sound kind of cruel but

997
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,800
what are you waiting for

998
00:38:36,350 --> 00:38:35,760
i mean it it's a good time it's been a

999
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,360
while

1000
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:39,599
[Laughter]

1001
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:42,720
yeah wow uh yeah it can't really

1002
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,160
uh it can't hurt i mean right you know

1003
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,480
if this was three years ago

1004
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,480
um before

1005
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,720
it seems much more acceptable to talk

1006
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,960
about it you know

1007
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:57,040
of course everyone was having caution i

1008
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,400
just feel like it's more and more

1009
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,400
comfortable now these people i don't

1010
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,920
know where they you know you were in

1011
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,200
south africa i don't know where they

1012
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,400
landed where they are now but um

1013
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,280
in the world maybe wherever they are

1014
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:12,079
it's not so much acceptable as it is

1015
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,440
here in the states right now i don't

1016
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,280
know

1017
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,960
yeah i

1018
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,119
the one friend that i reached out to

1019
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,920
i've not heard back and it's

1020
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,160
been a little bit

1021
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:26,400
which is interesting to me because i

1022
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,240
doubt that she hasn't seen my message

1023
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,599
and

1024
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:33,359
yeah i don't know that's that's

1025
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,240
interesting that she has not yet

1026
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,880
said anything to me one way or the other

1027
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,920
um

1028
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,760
and she doesn't have to say anything at

1029
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,960
all but

1030
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:45,200
that's just interesting to me

1031
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,200
okay besides besides um watching

1032
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,440
youtube like you say

1033
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,079
and and and catching up on you know what

1034
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,640
other people are saying about this topic

1035
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,240
and i'm glad that you're doing that i

1036
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,920
did i did the same thing

1037
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,680
um

1038
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:04,160
what else has happened

1039
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:05,440
in your life

1040
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:08,560
in regards to this the effects that this

1041
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:11,920
has had um on your life

1042
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,190
well

1043
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,960
honestly like

1044
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,040
at this moment in time just

1045
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:22,880
sitting here and talking to you about

1046
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,800
this this for me this is really big

1047
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:28,480
because

1048
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,510
just naturally very anxious person i'm

1049
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,640
very introverted i don't

1050
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,880
i have a very small group of friends and

1051
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,160
honestly

1052
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,040
the part of the pandemic that suited me

1053
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:47,119
just fine was being stuck in was being

1054
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,319
in my house

1055
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,839
and not having to

1056
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,680
interact with people because i kind of

1057
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,839
like that that's just who i am

1058
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,839
i don't feel comfortable putting myself

1059
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,000
out there so this

1060
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,040
this is kind of huge

1061
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,040
and

1062
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,480
a lot of it has to do with as you said

1063
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,520
you do feel that

1064
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,839
the scientific community is definitely

1065
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,200
there are people in the scientific

1066
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,839
community who are taking

1067
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,000
more of a stand

1068
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,400
and saying you know what

1069
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,040
how are we not looking at this

1070
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,079
this is happening to and unfortunately i

1071
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,280
mean i get it but it's unfortunate that

1072
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,240
it had to get to the point where

1073
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,640
um the military

1074
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,200
and and uh

1075
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,599
you know professional pilots and

1076
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,160
whatnot we're reporting it for it to be

1077
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:44,079
even considered

1078
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,839
um it's unfortunate that

1079
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,880
regular people

1080
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,200
experiencing it

1081
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,790
that their experiences aren't validated

1082
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,880
in the same way but having said that i

1083
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,520
get it i mean i i do

1084
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,800
um

1085
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,640
well but you're right that's that's a

1086
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,319
really good point and you know we're

1087
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,240
talking not just

1088
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,000
the average person but we're also

1089
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,400
talking you know police officers people

1090
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,000
with credibility

1091
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:15,920
that had these settings there's been

1092
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,079
plenty of those there's so many police

1093
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,680
sightings right

1094
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,760
yeah here here's a question

1095
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:23,520
um have you had any other odd

1096
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,359
experiences before or since

1097
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,430
richard

1098
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,240
just one and

1099
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,960
it was more odd in my mind than anything

1100
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:37,920
else

1101
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,960
um so the town that i currently live in

1102
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:42,640
within oh

1103
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,400
gosh within the past couple of decades

1104
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,920
at least and i know that's sort of a

1105
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,680
long time but again

1106
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,720
sometime in the past 20 years and then

1107
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,720
i'm saying that because that's

1108
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,359
when we moved to this house and i

1109
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,640
remember

1110
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,960
it happened when we were in this house

1111
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,040
but there was a report in our local

1112
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,839
paper about a family who'd been

1113
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,920
traveling home it was dark

1114
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,839
as they passed one of the schools in

1115
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,880
town

1116
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,960
they saw something on one of the fields

1117
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,200
the playing fields and so the dad pulled

1118
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,119
the car into the parking lot and shot

1119
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,040
his lights on it and there was this

1120
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,280
landed craft

1121
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,160
and it was just a brief newspaper

1122
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,319
article and my husband was reading it to

1123
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:28,160
me

1124
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,960
i told him until many years later but as

1125
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:34,640
he was reading

1126
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:38,240
about these other people's experience

1127
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,359
i suddenly had this like flash of fear

1128
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,800
um

1129
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:46,640
and all i could think was

1130
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,640
oh no they found me they know where i am

1131
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,599
and it was i actually like went cold

1132
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,440
with with fear

1133
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,319
and then almost as suddenly as that

1134
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,480
feeling came over me

1135
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:03,599
my next thought was like

1136
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,560
this you know don't be ridiculous

1137
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,040
that that absolutely isn't the case but

1138
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,359
that feeling of fear still lingered a

1139
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,440
bit and i'm i

1140
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,240
am not saying in any way shape or form

1141
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,560
that whatever that family

1142
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,040
experience was here for me absolutely

1143
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:23,359
not

1144
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,520
example of how

1145
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,599
how much of an impact that origin that

1146
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:33,839
sighting of mine had on me that

1147
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,200
that's sort of where my mind went to

1148
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,040
sure and

1149
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,640
that is

1150
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,400
i know

1151
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,560
that this might be hard to understand

1152
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,680
but that is

1153
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,359
that's a common

1154
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,040
thing not a comment but something i've

1155
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:51,280
heard before

1156
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,240
and

1157
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,160
uh you know there was uh someone that

1158
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,160
was on this show not that long ago that

1159
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,480
kind of talked about that

1160
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,800
when he saw a ufo over him he hadn't

1161
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,359
experienced before

1162
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,839
and he knew it was there i mean it's not

1163
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,359
like he thought it was there he knew it

1164
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,640
was there

1165
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,680
uh

1166
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,359
you know and it's not a self-centered

1167
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,119
thing it it's just

1168
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,680
it's a feeling it's a feeling and and

1169
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,920
you can't can't deny you can't control

1170
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,280
those

1171
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,480
absolutely right and um

1172
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,000
years later

1173
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,079
when i happened to mention it to my

1174
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,800
husband in some conversation again he

1175
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:29,839
didn't

1176
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:33,520
well that's silly you know why did you

1177
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,200
think that he went yeah i get it

1178
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,200
which

1179
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:40,800
yeah

1180
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,119
a good man there

1181
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,960
yeah i'm i'm

1182
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,720
very very grateful to have such a

1183
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,880
supportive family yeah

1184
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,280
who who don't see it as a bunch of just

1185
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,800
you know silly mumbo jumbo

1186
00:46:05,510 --> 00:45:58,480
um

1187
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,520
let's see we open the lines

1188
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,280
and uh we actually have someone on the

1189
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,079
line right now so i'm gonna bring uh

1190
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,839
bill in and

1191
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,680
um we have

1192
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,240
jeff from indiana on the line welcome to

1193
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,230
you're on the line you're over here

1194
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,920
hi uh

1195
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,280
i can't see your name here i got it

1196
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,200
muted uh

1197
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:29,520
i think the uh

1198
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,200
uh ridicule was waning now that the uh

1199
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,910
uh the pentagon has announced that

1200
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,200
announced that you know these things

1201
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,960
actually exist don't worry about that

1202
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,119
anymore i never did worry about it

1203
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:46,000
i uh i'm an experiencer my wife and i we

1204
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,599
had four of these crafts in a daylight

1205
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,720
thing

1206
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,480
and i could have hit him with a rock and

1207
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:53,200
uh i told everybody i didn't care

1208
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,480
because it really doesn't matter what

1209
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,520
people think we saw it

1210
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,079
um and that's all there is to it and i

1211
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,760
told everybody

1212
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,680
good responses bad responses didn't

1213
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:05,040
matter

1214
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,150
the sound they make no sound but i think

1215
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,960
what the thing is when it's happening

1216
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,440
it is so riveting

1217
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:19,920
and so

1218
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,640
that's a visual experience

1219
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,800
you're so

1220
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,680
drawn to it and so mesmerized by at

1221
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,920
least i was at my wife i was like a

1222
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,079
video game in my mind

1223
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,680
and you kind of block everything else

1224
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,720
out

1225
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,160
there were some cars that went by and

1226
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,079
stuff i remember the sound it didn't i

1227
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,040
don't believe they block out the sound

1228
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,040
but um

1229
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,880
now you know what you saw

1230
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,599
i know what i saw and learned what he

1231
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,440
saw and when you know

1232
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,040
it's really disheartening when

1233
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,200
people you try to honestly tell the

1234
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,200
story to

1235
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,200
you know roll their eyes it's a really

1236
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,720
hard thing to do but it really doesn't

1237
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,720
matter what they think anyway

1238
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:04,800
yeah the only last thing i'd like to say

1239
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,230
bad assumptions is that the government

1240
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,920
after blue book and that said they're

1241
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,480
not interested in ufos anymore

1242
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:19,680
well i have a friend of mine who works

1243
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,559
for the defense department and trust me

1244
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,680
they have never dropped a ball on this

1245
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,440
on this subject

1246
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,319
they have spent more on

1247
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,720
a cosmic top secret than they have on a

1248
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,520
nuclear program because these things

1249
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,520
been violating our

1250
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,240
most sensitive airspace shutting down

1251
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:41,839
missile banks and if you think the

1252
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:46,079
pentagon wasn't driven crazy about this

1253
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:47,119
uh

1254
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:48,160
you're

1255
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,559
they are very concerned about these

1256
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,559
things and probably what they're more

1257
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,480
worried about than the fact of aliens

1258
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,760
themselves

1259
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:59,280
what they were worried about with the

1260
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,640
people was

1261
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,240
if they acknowledged them then the

1262
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,760
people were going to go say what are

1263
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,520
they well we don't really know

1264
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,800
the other thing they were going to ask

1265
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,200
was can you protect us against them and

1266
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,200
the government was going to say

1267
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,319
no we we cannot and that is more

1268
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,280
terrifying than the aliens themselves

1269
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,400
but um i agree i enjoyed i'm really

1270
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:21,920
enjoying the show

1271
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,960
and that's all i got to say all right

1272
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,440
oh sorry martin oh great

1273
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,599
i hope that more people have your

1274
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:32,240
courage to just uh

1275
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:33,119
speak

1276
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,520
back

1277
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,559
yes

1278
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,319
thanks thanks

1279
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,319
i know that i hope uh

1280
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,559
it's real it's so real they say there's

1281
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,800
no evidence my god

1282
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,079
there's

1283
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,720
endless evidence of videos and

1284
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,960
you know they always say

1285
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,119
a policeman or

1286
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,280
somebody is more reputable you know i'm

1287
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,079
a there's doctors lawyers uh regular

1288
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,480
factory workers just as reputable

1289
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,800
you know an intelligent person

1290
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,599
can read can tell the public or their

1291
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,200
friends or whoever

1292
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:11,119
what they saw

1293
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:14,559
and uh everybody should just

1294
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,599
and we've been seeing this for 70 years

1295
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,359
and i can't believe what the government

1296
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,240
has done it made us out to be idiots you

1297
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:23,599
know

1298
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,839
so uh

1299
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,760
yeah these cases in africa are very

1300
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,359
interesting this schoolyard i guess

1301
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,280
yours is there's two of them that i know

1302
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,720
of now

1303
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,720
that have been reflected on uh here

1304
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,920
lately

1305
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,079
uh they reinterviewed the the other

1306
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,240
school how many kids were there 100 and

1307
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,599
some or 60 some kids 16 dudes after

1308
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,760
they're grown kids now

1309
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:48,240
or grown people now you know right

1310
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:54,950
and the message was

1311
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,680
you're destroying the earth

1312
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,760
stop destroying the earth now how could

1313
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:01,920
they think that telling

1314
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,720
some children in in south africa how

1315
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,720
they would uh

1316
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,359
have a bearing on on how we're treating

1317
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,440
this earth you know

1318
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,680
but um i've been talking too much you

1319
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,760
need to get to somebody else all right

1320
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,760
jeff hey thanks for the call appreciate

1321
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:18,800
it

1322
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:19,839
thank you

1323
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:22,880
yeah um before i take the next caller on

1324
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,760
i and we have a john uh holding in

1325
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,000
oregon uh

1326
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,400
have you done like a map

1327
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,440
um

1328
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:33,280
you know looked on the map to see how

1329
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,400
far away

1330
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,280
you are from where the ariel school

1331
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,400
uh incident in zimbabwe how far away is

1332
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:43,680
that is that like thousand miles or

1333
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,549
it's a it's quite a few hours drive

1334
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:55,920
but um

1335
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:59,119
zimbabwe is just it's just to the north

1336
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,000
of us

1337
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,240
i'm not sure exactly how far though that

1338
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,160
was fascinating though i actually asked

1339
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,160
my sister if she'd heard about that i

1340
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,920
was already living here

1341
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,240
when that happened and i i did not hear

1342
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,680
about it

1343
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,240
um and i said to you i said apparently

1344
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:16,240
south african broadcasting were one of

1345
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,520
the first

1346
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,000
there after the bbc i think

1347
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,400
um i've been i think that's what

1348
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,680
they said yeah bbc was there with right

1349
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:27,680
fairly quickly and then john mack came

1350
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,880
in right you know weeks later and

1351
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,160
um you know if you watch those

1352
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,200
interviews they're they're chilling yeah

1353
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,720
yeah but

1354
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,359
my sister said she doesn't remember

1355
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,280
it being reported but that's the thing

1356
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,880
again you know it would probably have

1357
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,280
just been a blip on the news channel and

1358
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,000
if you missed it well that was that well

1359
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,079
the thing about that is is there was a

1360
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,760
lot of people that

1361
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,079
saw that it wasn't just the kids there

1362
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,559
was people in the town there was a pilot

1363
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,720
right you know it was a lot of people

1364
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,319
yeah i can't remember exactly how many

1365
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,480
and then it was a it was going on daily

1366
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,040
for a while yeah not not the encounters

1367
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,280
at the school but around that whole

1368
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,760
general area and it's always curious to

1369
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,240
me why they're in a certain area and

1370
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:14,000
show up again in a certain area that's

1371
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,880
always

1372
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,640
you know it's battling

1373
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,520
exactly i i was thinking after listening

1374
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,440
to selma i was like

1375
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,280
maybe it hovered over our school went

1376
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,440
dang it there's a grown up there keep

1377
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,680
moving we need to find a school where

1378
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,280
they're just kids

1379
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,720
but

1380
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,359
funny yeah well there was actually ace

1381
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,000
there was one teacher in the yard

1382
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:39,040
i thought she was in the tech shop

1383
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,800
i'm not really sure but she did see it

1384
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,040
yeah and she came forward after she she

1385
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,839
was quiet for many many years

1386
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,480
so we have john on the line uh he's

1387
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:52,160
calling from oregon

1388
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,839
john you are live on the air welcome to

1389
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,680
the show

1390
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,520
okay thank you

1391
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,319
uh and i have a question for your guest

1392
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:01,520
um

1393
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:06,480
might just quick questions my first

1394
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:07,599
question is

1395
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:11,839
um have you uh do you have you yourself

1396
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,559
had any uh experience of missing time

1397
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:16,240
with this episode or anyone that you

1398
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,280
know

1399
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,800
may i stay on the line for this one for

1400
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,640
the second question yeah yeah go ahead

1401
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:22,839
yeah all right thanks

1402
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:27,990
you know i thought about that i've been

1403
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,280
thinking about that more recently

1404
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,920
and of course i haven't i haven't

1405
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,000
confirmed with anybody

1406
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,200
else

1407
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,960
um that they even

1408
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,079
saw it

1409
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,799
um that'll be a whole another journey

1410
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:45,359
but for myself

1411
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:46,000
i

1412
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:58,000
and

1413
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,359
we weren't

1414
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,440
late back to class or anything i don't

1415
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,119
remember that being an issue and i feel

1416
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,119
like being the kind of anxious kid i was

1417
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,720
i would have known if we were late back

1418
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:07,920
to class

1419
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:13,510
all right then you know where i'm going

1420
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,950
no

1421
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,870
oh well um

1422
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,119
that i'm sure martin does uh

1423
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,280
there have been people who had close

1424
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:28,160
encounters like this uh just sightings

1425
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,880
and

1426
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,640
they've experienced strange episodes of

1427
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,559
missing time and then found out later on

1428
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,480
that they had been abducted

1429
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,640
and taken on board the craft

1430
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,400
unbeknownst to them their memories wiped

1431
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:39,839
for a while and they were returned where

1432
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,119
they were yeah strange as it sounds

1433
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,440
no not not strange at all i mean

1434
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,359
considering you know

1435
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,160
all the cases that you um

1436
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,880
here and i mean betty and barney hill

1437
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,119
they didn't know for them for quite a

1438
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,960
while but

1439
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,400
okay

1440
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,319
yeah um

1441
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,599
i don't know i mean

1442
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,079
as of this right at this point in time i

1443
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,839
would say no but

1444
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,000
to your point

1445
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,640
who really knows right i

1446
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:15,119
unless i

1447
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,119
i don't know if i did regression or

1448
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,359
if i found out more from other people

1449
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,440
who were there that day and may have

1450
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,520
seen something

1451
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:27,440
yeah

1452
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,680
do you think that you might be up for

1453
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:31,359
trying

1454
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,000
a regression do would you feel

1455
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,000
comfortable because i actually know

1456
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,400
someone that i know would not lead you

1457
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,559
in any way that's very good

1458
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,040
um just in case i mean we can talk about

1459
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:45,440
it you know off air but anyway is that

1460
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,030
maybe i mean it would have to be the

1461
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,880
right circumstances because i definitely

1462
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,880
again this is where my science mind

1463
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,200
kicks in and i say

1464
00:57:02,789 --> 00:56:59,440
okay i

1465
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:02,799
that can work if it's if it's done

1466
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,760
correctly and if it's done in a way that

1467
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:08,240
doesn't plant ideas

1468
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:09,119
in

1469
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,640
yeah that's right maybe i

1470
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,920
i don't know

1471
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,240
again i think i casually mentioned that

1472
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,880
to my husband once sort of you know very

1473
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,440
casually like you know maybe i should do

1474
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,000
regression and he said damn

1475
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,799
whatever you need go for it wow just

1476
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,280
having that having the

1477
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,119
having people say

1478
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,720
yeah

1479
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,119
do it if that's what you need is just

1480
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,119
very freeing

1481
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:42,720
exactly

1482
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,760
do you have a follow-up with that john

1483
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,160
yes martin i do thank you very much uh

1484
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,440
just quickly um some uh one of the the

1485
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,200
previous caller i believe mentioned

1486
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,920
something about the uh the sound around

1487
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,920
you suddenly suddenly being muffled

1488
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,160
that's that's quite common thing too

1489
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,920
i and he had a different there he had a

1490
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:03,440
different theory than i do what mine is

1491
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:06,880
is that possibly there's some sort of a

1492
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,839
field around around you right about you

1493
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,079
that this craft is projecting that

1494
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,920
blocks out sounds beyond that's just a

1495
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,520
theory of mine all right i just want to

1496
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,760
have a really good question

1497
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,040
thank you for coming on the show i

1498
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,040
appreciate you protecting my quote

1499
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,280
all right thank you john

1500
00:58:29,470 --> 00:58:26,240
thank you john and uh the lines are open

1501
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,480
so that number is up on the screen

1502
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:31,680
855-472-5483 you're welcome to call in

1503
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,440
if you have a question for our guests

1504
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,000
i think you're amazing by the way

1505
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,960
uh it's it's been really uh this has

1506
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,200
been really fascinating so

1507
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,200
um

1508
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,160
so you all right let's just talk about

1509
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:51,119
your your travel through life

1510
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,920
did this pop up here and there

1511
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,079
or you saw something on tv

1512
00:59:03,270 --> 00:58:58,160
i mean were there triggers

1513
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:05,750
you know yeah there must have been i

1514
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:09,119
mean it stayed so alive in my

1515
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,359
mind and it only got stronger over time

1516
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,510
it's

1517
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:19,520
yeah you you know sometimes i think i'm

1518
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,480
like wow if i was only about eight

1519
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:24,400
when i experienced that what do you know

1520
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,760
when you're eight

1521
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,200
but

1522
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:29,520
you know about as much as what you're

1523
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,880
looking at

1524
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:32,480
as

1525
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:36,400
anybody of any age because it's such an

1526
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,270
the type of business that my dad was in

1527
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,040
he was in advertising and so we had

1528
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,440
opportunities to go

1529
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:49,200
to

1530
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,559
you know the airport and actually go on

1531
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,400
stationary planes i remember that

1532
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,960
specifically and going into a cockpit

1533
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:58,640
and sitting with the pilots which when

1534
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,040
you're a little kid that's so exciting

1535
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,880
you know all those buttons and dials and

1536
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,559
everything and

1537
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,720
we were in the flight path

1538
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:09,040
of the planes coming and going so i knew

1539
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,160
what

1540
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:11,920
airplanes looked like

1541
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,040
and i knew what craft that you see all

1542
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,640
the time

1543
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,000
looks like

1544
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,240
um

1545
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,240
and this was not that

1546
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,480
this was not that it stays with you it

1547
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:26,720
definitely does and then as you start to

1548
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,520
see and read about and

1549
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,960
hear about

1550
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,200
other people's experiences it really

1551
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,640
validates

1552
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,240
everything you've been through even if

1553
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,559
you feel like you were sort of in a

1554
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,319
your own little bubble when it happened

1555
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,280
and there was nobody right there that

1556
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,599
you could share it with which is why

1557
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,960
when i hear

1558
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,319
the ariel

1559
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:50,720
experiences talk about

1560
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:54,640
what happened to them i think about

1561
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,760
how

1562
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:56,960
wonderful

1563
01:01:02,549 --> 01:00:59,920
it was really that they had each other

1564
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,559
right um

1565
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:03,440
yeah

1566
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,079
that you don't and and hopefully

1567
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:10,079
um you'll eventually be able to reach

1568
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:11,520
out to someone and

1569
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:12,880
you know i mean

1570
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,240
your father validating it that must have

1571
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:18,559
been really big for you yeah it was a

1572
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,520
relief it really was a relief

1573
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:23,680
that that he was that he came forward

1574
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,640
and said didn't this happen to you and

1575
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,960
yeah you told me this and this and this

1576
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,040
and i went okay

1577
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,359
and then to have my sister say i never

1578
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,960
knew about that i wasn't sure how she

1579
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:36,559
was gonna respond i wasn't sure she was

1580
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,440
gonna say that's just a bunch of hui

1581
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,680
yeah although i would have hoped not and

1582
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,839
then when she said

1583
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:45,920
please tell me about it

1584
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,720
that

1585
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,480
felt good too

1586
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,920
right so

1587
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,200
um

1588
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,240
yeah it's important to

1589
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,160
to hear people

1590
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,799
no matter you know what

1591
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,720
they do in life whether they're a

1592
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,960
fighter pilot in the navy

1593
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,319
or just

1594
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:07,119
a child or anybody else it's important

1595
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,480
to listen to people's stories and

1596
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,640
i don't know just

1597
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:14,960
let them tell their stories

1598
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:18,319
right right so let's go back to um let's

1599
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:21,920
go back to you being a child

1600
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:24,880
and you have this experience you never

1601
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:27,520
heard of the word ufo flying saucer or

1602
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:30,559
any of that stuff you had no idea

1603
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,680
what did your brain try to tell you that

1604
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:34,640
you

1605
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,039
saw was it just a mystery only

1606
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,559
yeah i just

1607
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:42,799
i just remember being

1608
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,960
i think the part that stuck out for me

1609
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,720
was just

1610
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,680
how it was there this huge thing just

1611
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:53,760
stopped on a dime

1612
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:57,119
and then just it was gone

1613
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,319
that that was just so extraordinary okay

1614
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,400
that's not supposed to happen

1615
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,079
and i've gone over it over and over

1616
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:06,079
again um

1617
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,839
and i'll talk my husband zero off about

1618
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,920
this and say come on because he knows a

1619
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:11,520
lot about um

1620
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:14,079
aircraft as well and military aircraft

1621
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,359
and they'll say come on what's the

1622
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,000
fastest one and when when was that

1623
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:20,880
flying okay there is no way that

1624
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,160
anything could do this in the 70s and

1625
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,920
things there we don't have anything that

1626
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:27,839
can still

1627
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:30,559
travel that fast that you blink and it's

1628
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,280
gone like well you think of just alone

1629
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,839
if there was passengers if there was a

1630
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:37,920
crew right and

1631
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,680
they had to be smashed

1632
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,680
i mean they would the g-force

1633
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,920
uh it sounds to me like this is an

1634
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:46,079
instant type of situation

1635
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,960
yeah

1636
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,440
and you know just just a thought because

1637
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,599
i don't know but it's just

1638
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:53,200
maybe a theory maybe i shouldn't

1639
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:57,440
theorize but probably the same

1640
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,319
thing that made the sound as you say

1641
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:03,119
suck away like completely away is

1642
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,640
probably the same thing that can make

1643
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,720
them travel like that it's probably all

1644
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:07,760
part of it

1645
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:11,119
i i think it possibly could be yeah

1646
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:14,559
um and i'm starting there were a lot of

1647
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,599
well there were

1648
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:17,520
a few uh

1649
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,599
youtubers who are exploring those ideas

1650
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:24,319
with theoretical physicists and they

1651
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:27,760
talk about the el cubiere drive

1652
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:28,799
and

1653
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,470
if we created a time machine

1654
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:38,950
you could actually achieve what appears

1655
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:41,359
to be faster than light travel it

1656
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,520
doesn't break those laws of physics and

1657
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:45,760
it isn't faster than light

1658
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:47,920
but it's it's all about like

1659
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:50,799
manipulating the space that's directly

1660
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,000
around you yeah and that is so

1661
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,720
fascinating like my science mind goes oh

1662
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:59,119
yeah that makes sense tell me more about

1663
01:05:00,870 --> 01:05:00,000
that

1664
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:00,880
see

1665
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:02,799
and

1666
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,559
it seems outrageous until it isn't

1667
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:08,880
you know it seems outrageous when you

1668
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,240
don't really understand

1669
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:13,920
what makes something

1670
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,799
work

1671
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,880
but then you figure it out and then it's

1672
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:19,039
not outrageous anymore then it's

1673
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:20,000
something

1674
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:23,520
that everybody can do so i just think a

1675
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,400
lot i think we just don't know how any

1676
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,400
of this works and so it's easy to

1677
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,920
dismiss it

1678
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,680
i agree and you know i've had

1679
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:33,520
conversations with

1680
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:34,559
people

1681
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,160
um like seth shawstak from the seti

1682
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,240
runs the city program

1683
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,000
uh search for extraterrestrial

1684
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,680
intelligence

1685
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:45,520
and

1686
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:49,359
just say there's no way

1687
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,480
that um they can travel from you know

1688
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,720
the even the nearest star which is four

1689
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,200
four and a half light years away um two

1690
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:59,200
here it's just impossible

1691
01:06:01,589 --> 01:06:00,640
but they're not

1692
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,599
thinking

1693
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,200
outside of

1694
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,920
normal physics that we know about right

1695
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,359
you know i mean there's something that

1696
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:10,000
we don't know about yet and and like

1697
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,520
i've mentioned this a number of times on

1698
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:12,720
the shows like

1699
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,799
um all throughout time

1700
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,720
the contemporary thinking is we know

1701
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:19,039
everything yeah you know there's nothing

1702
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,799
more to discover

1703
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:22,240
yeah

1704
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:25,039
and then it changes but i i think i

1705
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:25,839
think

1706
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,599
very little

1707
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,440
you know that we know just a little tiny

1708
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,680
fraction of what what is going what is

1709
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,160
going on and and and these things fit in

1710
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:38,079
there somewhere

1711
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:39,760
they they have to

1712
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:43,280
because it's not a figment of

1713
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,799
hundreds of thousands of people's

1714
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,480
imaginations

1715
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,559
um that's for sure

1716
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,039
and it's not just a you know i don't

1717
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,760
know a seagull

1718
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,760
or a you know something wrong with the

1719
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,680
technology the pilots are using or

1720
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,880
whatever

1721
01:07:01,510 --> 01:07:00,400
so yeah yeah

1722
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,520
when

1723
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,559
so

1724
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,079
when i guess i'm going to ask you when

1725
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,079
is the first time

1726
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,960
that you realized that you saw

1727
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,839
oh

1728
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:12,160
i must have saw ufo

1729
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,079
i mean how did that occur to you all of

1730
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:15,839
a sudden i mean did you see something

1731
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:18,319
like on tv or

1732
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:21,760
or or it was actually my dad

1733
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,559
yeah

1734
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,720
because like i said i don't actually

1735
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,799
remember

1736
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,039
telling him i saw something weird and i

1737
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:31,280
wouldn't have used the word ufo because

1738
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:32,640
i wouldn't have known what that was

1739
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,520
right

1740
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,520
um but i would have probably said

1741
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:37,680
something i saw this strange thing at

1742
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:39,359
school today and then he would have said

1743
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,720
oh you know

1744
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,240
what was it and i would have explained

1745
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:44,319
it and then he got interested and so

1746
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,599
he's the one

1747
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,280
who put that

1748
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:50,000
out there after the fact

1749
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:50,720
and

1750
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,599
said something to me along the lines of

1751
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,200
you know

1752
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,359
blah blah ufo

1753
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,599
and then obviously explained it to me

1754
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,760
um

1755
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:02,880
yeah

1756
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:06,640
so

1757
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,079
this is just a note up there um

1758
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,160
thousands and millions meet our people

1759
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,079
they're not lying somehow

1760
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,560
um you know i mean this is uh you know

1761
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,040
just validation yeah that's true

1762
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:21,679
right it's so true you know if you see

1763
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:24,319
all the similarities across all these

1764
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:27,920
stories and there are these things that

1765
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,349
right

1766
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:35,440
yeah it's it's it's time to start

1767
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:39,040
believing thank you avi loeb and

1768
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:42,080
yeah you know um

1769
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,960
everybody in into the stars academy even

1770
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,799
though i know that that's

1771
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,159
they will go on their own ways but

1772
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:50,080
they're still working really hard to

1773
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,359
keep this

1774
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,799
current

1775
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,960
that's right that's right i can't

1776
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,120
believe that uh we've actually run out

1777
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,960
of time here

1778
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:01,199
again this uh the show's being dedicated

1779
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:04,159
to uh kevin childress who unfortunately

1780
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,920
passed away at a young age so uh

1781
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,319
deb i have to tell you i am totally

1782
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:11,920
honored

1783
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:14,560
that you felt comfortable to be on this

1784
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,359
show

1785
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,600
and you uh so

1786
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:19,279
told your story

1787
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:20,400
right from the heart

1788
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:23,199
and uh it really means a lot to me

1789
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:24,080
thank you

1790
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,319
for giving me an opportunity

1791
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:31,120
after all this time to feel comfortable

1792
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,839
sharing my

1793
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,279
story well you're very welcome and i

1794
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,120
hope this is in a way kind of

1795
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,679
therapeutic for you so yeah it totally

1796
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:41,040
is

1797
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:42,640
all right well you take care

1798
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:46,239
thank you so much you too all right bye

1799
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,199
good night

1800
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:49,679
all right everyone so that is it for the

1801
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,560
show and wow that was uh amazing i think

1802
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,280
so um and someone says thank you deb

1803
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:57,920
you're a champ um so we'll be back next

1804
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,040
week with uh trey hudson and i can't

1805
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,679
remember the topic but i'm sure it will

1806
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,159
be a great show thank you everyone

1807
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,880
behind the scenes and for all your help

1808
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,320
everyone

1809
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,080
and support

1810
01:10:17,070 --> 01:10:14,320
and remember to keep your eyes to the

1811
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:17,080
sky